And all along, I invite you all to pose questions to Brian in the Q&A function. The idea of the truth shall set you free, right, [SPEAKING GREEK], in 8:32. I mean, something of symbolic significance, something monumental. That would require an entirely different kind of evidence. And keep in mind that we'll drop down into any one of these points more deeply. And I offer psychedelics as one of those archaic techniques of ecstasy that seems to have been relevant and meaningful to our ancestors. When you start testing, you find things. The phrasing used in the book and by others is "the pagan continuity hypothesis". Joe Campbell puts it best that what we're after is an experience of being alive. The fact that the Vatican sits in Rome today is not an accident, I think, is the shortest way to answer that. Not in every single case, obviously. I know that that's a loaded phrase. So I present this as proof of concept, and I heavily rely on the Gospel of John and the data from Italy because that's what was there. Here's the big question. So how does Dionysian revelries get into this picture? I'm currently reading The Immortality Key by Brian Muraresku and find this 2nd/3rd/4th century AD time period very interesting, particularly with regards to the adoptions of pagan rituals and practices by early Christianity. And they found this site, along with others around the Mediterranean. What was discovered, as far as I can tell, from your treatment of it, is essentially an ancient pharmacy in this house. A profound knowledge of visionary plants, herbs, and fungi passed from one generation to the next, ever since the Stone Age? It's not just Cana. And considering the common background of modern religions (the Pagan Continuity hypothesis), any religious group who thinks they are chosen or correct are promoting a simplistic and ignorant view of our past. Klaus Schmidt, who was with the German Archaeological Institute, called this a sanctuary and called these T-shaped pillars representations of gods. And what we know about the wine of the time is that it was prized amongst other things not for its alcoholic content, but for its ability to induce madness. But we at least have, again, the indicia of evidence that something was happening there. Mark and Brian cover the Eleusinian Mysteries, the pagan continuity hypothesis, early Christianity, lessons from famed religious scholar Karen Armstrong, overlooked aspects of influential philosopher William James's career, ancient wine and ancient beer, experiencing the divine within us, the importance of " tikkun olam "repairing and improving And that is that there was a pervasive religion, ancient religion, that involved psychedelic sacraments, and that that pervasive religious culture filtered into the Greek mysteries and eventually into early Christianity. And I think it's very important to be very honest with the reader and the audience about what we know and what we don't. I understand more papers are about to be published on this. And all we know-- I mean, we can't decipher sequence by sequence what was happening. And I feel like I accomplished that in the afterword to my book. I see something that's happening to people. So the Greek god of wine, intoxication. CHARLES STANG: I have one more question about the pre-Christian story, and that has to do with that the other mystery religion you give such attention to. The (Mistaken) Conspiracy Theory: In the Late Middle Ages, religious elites created a new, and mistaken, intellectual framework out of Christian heresy and theology concerning demons. Now, that date is obviously very suggestive because that's precisely the time the Christians were establishing a beachhead in Rome. OK. Now let's pan back because, we have-- I want to wrap up my interrogation of you, which I've been pressing you, but I feel as if perhaps people joining me think I'm hostile to this hypothesis. It still leaves an even bigger if, Dr. Stang, is which one is psychedelic? We don't have to look very hard to find that. So that, actually, is the key to the immortality key. And I think oversight also comes in handy within organized religion. Psychedelics Today: PTSF 35 (with Brian Muraresku) Griffithsfund.org Reviewed in the United States on January 29, 2023 But I'm pressing you because that's my job. CHARLES STANG: Right. It's only in John that Jesus is described as being born in the lap of the Father, the [SPEAKING GREEK] in 1:18, very similar to the way that Dionysus sprung miraculously from the thigh of Zeus, and on and on and on-- which I'm not going to bore you and the audience. Where does Western civilization come from? It is not psychedelics. This an absolute masterclass on why you must know your identity and goals before forming a habit, what the best systems are for habit. Those religions featured psychedelic beer and ceremonies lead by women . Little attempt has been made, however, to bridge the gap between \"pagan\" and \"Christian\" or to examine late antique, Christian attitudes toward sexuality and marriage from the viewpoint of the \"average\" Christian. And the truth is that this is a project that goes well beyond ancient history, because Brian is convinced that what he has uncovered has profound implications for the future of religion, and specifically, the future of his own religion, Roman Catholicism. President and CEO, First Southeast Financial Corp and First Federal Savings and Loan Director, Carolina First Bank and The South Financial Group And so that's what motivated my search here. Now, what's curious about this is we usually have-- Egypt plays a rather outsized role in our sense of early Christianity because-- and other adjacent or contemporary religious and philosophical movements, because everything in Egypt is preserved better than anywhere else in the Mediterranean. And the one thing that unites both of those worlds in this research called the pagan continuity hypothesis, the one thing we can bet on is the sacred language of Greek. But when it comes to that Sunday ritual, it just, whatever is happening today, it seems different from what may have motivated the earliest Christians, which leads me to very big questions. But you go further still, suggesting that Jesus himself at the Last Supper might have administered psychedelic sacrament, that the original Eucharist was psychedelic. So. Because ergot is just very common. You might find it in a cemetery in Mexico. And I think that that's the real question here. So how to put this? So the basic point being, as far as we can tell, beer and wine are routinely mixed with things that we don't do today. This 'pagan continuity hypothesis' with a psychedelic twist is now backed up by biochemistry and agrochemistry and tons of historical research, exposing our forgotten history. Rather, Christian beliefs were gradually incorporated into the pagan customs that already existed there. And besides that, young Brian, let's keep the mysteries mysteries. It would have parts of Greek mysticism in it, the same Greek mysteries I've spent all these years investigating, and it would have some elements of what I see in paleo-Christianity. It's something that goes from Homer all the way until the fall of the Roman Empire, over the course of well more than 1,000 years. So we're going down parallel paths here, and I feel we're caught between FDA-approved therapeutics and RFRA-protected sacraments, RFRA, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, or what becomes of these kinds of substances in any kind of legal format-- which they're not legal at the moment, some would argue. As much as we know about the mysteries of Eleusis. Thank you. 1,672. And maybe therein we do since the intimation of immortality. And so with a revised ancient history, in place Brian tacks back to the title of our series, Psychedelics and the Future of Religion. And then at some point they go inland. BRIAN MURARESKU: I'm asked this question, I would say, in pretty much every interview I've done since late September. But maybe you could just say something about this community in Catalonia. I can't imagine that there were no Christians that availed themselves of this biotechnology, and I can't imagine-- it's entirely plausible to me that they would mix this biotechnology with the Eucharist. And for those of you who have found my line of questioning or just my general presence tedious, first of all, I fully appreciate that reaction. So if you don't think that you are literally consuming divine blood, what is the point of religion? And another: in defending the pagan continuity hypothesis, Muraresku presumes a somewhat non-Jewish, pagan-like Jesus, while ignoring the growing body of psychedelic literature, including works by . BRIAN MURARESKU: Right. So I think it's really interesting details here worth following up on. Let me just pull up my notes here. Well, wonderful. Now, I think you answered that last part. Because my biggest question is, and the obvious question of the book is, if this was happening in antiquity, what does that mean for today? So when Hippolytus is calling out the Marcosians, and specifically women, consecrating this alternative Eucharist in their alternative proto-mass, he uses the Greek word-- and we've talked about this before-- but he uses the Greek word [SPEAKING GREEK] seven times in a row, by the way, without specifying which drugs he's referring to. I do the same thing in the afterword at the very end of the book, where it's lots of, here's what we know. I'm sure he knows this well, by this point. Like savory, wormwood, blue tansy, balm, senna, coriander, germander, mint, sage, and thyme. CHARLES STANG: So in some sense, you're feeling almost envy for the experiences on psychedelics, which is to say you've never experienced the indwelling of Christ or the immediate knowledge of your immortality in the sacrament. These-- that-- Christians are spread out throughout the eastern Mediterranean, and there are many, many pockets of people practicing what we might call, let's just call it Christian mysticism of some kind. The Tim Ferriss Show Transcripts: Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin The Eleusinian Mysteries, Discovering the Divine, The Immortality Key, The Pagan Continuity Hypothesis, Lessons from Scholar Karen Armstrong, and Much More (#646) - The Blog of Author Tim Ferriss 3 Annual "Best of" Apple Podcasts 900+ Million episodes downloaded So this is interesting. Examine the pros and cons of the continuity theory of aging, specifically in terms of how it neglects to consider social institutions or chronically ill adults. I appreciate this. Why don't we turn the tables and ask you what questions you think need to be posed? This notion in John 15:1, the notion of the true vine, for example, only occurs in John. How does, in other words, how does religion sit with science? So let's start with one that is more contemporary. And so even within the New Testament you see little hints and clues that there was no such thing as only ordinary table wine. Others would argue that they are perfectly legal sacraments, at least in the Native American church with the use of peyote, or in the UDV or Santo Daime, I mean, ayahuasca does work in some syncretic Christian form, right? Richard Evans Schultes and the Search for Ayahuasca 17 days ago Plants of the Gods: S3E10. Like, what is this all about? But it survives. I'm skeptical, Dr. Stang. Now, Brian managed to write this book while holding down a full time practice in international law based in Washington DC. What does it mean to die before dying? I'm currently reading The Immortality Key by Brian Muraresku and find this 2nd/3rd/4th century AD time period very interesting, particularly with regards to the adoptions of pagan rituals and practices by early Christianity. Maybe part of me is skeptical, right? We look forward to hosting Chacruna's founder and executive director, Bia Labate, for a lecture on Monday, March 8. And there are legitimate scholars out there who say, because John wanted to paint Jesus in the light of Dionysus, present him as the second coming of this pagan God. There have been really dramatic studies from Hopkins and NYU about the ability of psilocybin at the end of life to curb things like depression, anxiety, and end of life distress. Despite its popular appeal as a New York Times Bestseller, TIK fails to make a compelling case for its grand theory of the "pagan continuity hypothesis with a psychedelic twist" due to. Books about pagan continuity hypothesis? And we know from the record that [SPEAKING GREEK] is described as being so crowded with gods that they were easier to find than men. And so I don't know what a really authentic, a really historic-looking ritual that is equal parts sacred, but also, again, medically sound, scientifically rigorous, would look like.
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